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Energy forces - Going and Returning
posted by MarkLeavenworth on 6/3/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
What force is there without going and returning? The saw goes, and returns. The electricity of the electric motor goes from the power plant, and returns. The combustion engine piston goes, then returns. The peddle of the bicycle goes, and then returns. But the turbine seems to go, go, go. It must be that the fire which drives the turbine goes, and then returns somehow, or in some way.
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posted by RonL on 6/9/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
Hello Mark, It's been a while, I'm not sure what you are trying to draw out, but everything you mention falls within the first law of thermodynamics, energy cannot be created or destroyed, the part "not destroyed" is far more powerful for us in It's meaning. RonL
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posted by MarkLeavenworth on 6/10/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
There you are, Ron! The thing I've found is that when a principle is true in every case for some part of our understanding of nature, it is often true in many other cases, because our knowledge of nature is limited, yet nature follows principles. That's why I try to share these principles as they are revealed to me, because they might apply to something entirely different that someone else is working on. But even just with energy, you know, how a magnetic field is a 'force'. It is a unity and a cycle, but it is contrary to itself also. And it doesn't send waves through wires unless the one and then the other are 'forced' to the same place. In one sense, it's not the magnetic force that causes electricity, because a magnetic field acting on the wires is not electricity. But in another sense, there is nothing more than magnetic force that comprises electricity, with the only other attribute being that the force is changing from the one side to the other. But that one side and the other of the magnetic force is really not two things, but one unified force which neither moves nor causes electricity of itself. The 'two' parts of a magnetic force are a going and coming of the same. With chemical batteries, it must follow that the motions of the reactions are like so many tiny magnets set in motion by a force outside of the electricity itself, because we have seen the the electricity cannot produce itself. And this force is another 'force', the ratio between two continuous metal fields (plates) that differ and two non-continuous metal fields (plates) that differ with a similar difference. The force then, is that difference, not between the plates, but between the differences between the plates. And this difference continuosly innitiates the breaking apart of the chemical pieces which, as they spin to stability together, produces in the plates, by accidental attribute of their being metal, an electric current. In a more mechanical view, there is little difference in the output of an efficient steam turbine, and an efficient cylinder steam engine, given the same amount of fuel. The difference is in the space occupied. So not only with fuel production of biofuels, but also in machinery of all kinds which use the fuel, the important factor is the space the process occupies.
Extra saving of energy
posted by Youssef Hassan on 3/26/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
The goal of any production process is “to maximize the profit”. To achieve this goal, the supply exceeds the demand too much which results in consuming a huge amount of energy. My vision is to restrict this excess. I suggest a new philosophy for the production process, “to maximize the profit, in the meantime to minimize the energy consumption”. How? I will give some examples: (1)Because the density of water is relatively high, so conveying water on the road using any transportation means will consume too much energy. On the contrary, conveying water thru pipes consumes very little energy. So, I suggest reducing the production rate of any bottled products, for instance: (a)Reducing the production rate of the bottled soda, beverages, juices, etc and compensating by providing the market with powder bags (instant use) of the same product. (b)Decreasing the production rate of the bottled purified water thru purifying the tap water, providing the market with very cheap purifying water unit used at homes, and establishing tiny factories (or stores) for purifying and bottling water everywhere in every populated area and district to be very near to the consumers. (2)Generalizing 'the work at home' concept saves a lot of energy: If the work is software, it can be transmitted via the internet between the employer and the employees at their homes, or otherwise the employer can distribute and collect the work from employees at their homes. (3)Improving the quality of the products and their spare parts to elongate their service life for the purpose of decreasing the production rate, in the meantime preserving the same profit, also re-designing the product to be repairable rather than scrapping it when malfunctioned. (4)Let every producer establish an internal department/division with a reasonable budget to suggest the best ideas to minimize the energy consumption either during the production and distribution process or when using the product by the end user. (5)Making the public transportation of the persons and the cargo desirable & available everywhere around the clock to decrease the production rate of the private cars. (6)Establishing a national group the purpose of which is to coordinate between the producers to exchange the successful and applicable relevant ideas.
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Efficient Planning
posted by MarkLeavenworth on 4/1/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
I guarantee you, we Americans will make the most efficient and intelligent use of any and every resource that we have at our command.
Further Clarification
posted by Youssef Hassan on 4/13/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
Encouraging people to use the public transportation should be applied all over the world. The following are some faults of the public transportation in my country, Egypt (although the government does its best to improve it): (1) There is a big shortage in the public transportation. (2) The means of public transportation are not comfortable either in trains, buses, mini buses, micro buses, or cabs (very small seats with very small space in between them, the movable windows are stuck or replaced by fixed ones, there is no ventilation in the interior to compensate for the stuck and fixed windows, no usable toilets in the long distance transportation, drivers are smoking and bothering passengers, unclean interior, broken seats, etc). These are some of many other reasons why most people prefer to use private cars which leads to very slow traffic consuming a huge amount of fuel every fraction of second.
Bikes, Scooters, Motorcycles, and Micro Cars
posted by Youssef Hassan on 5/1/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
In addition to encouraging the use of public transortation all over the world, let us also encourage the extended production and use of bikes, scooters, motorcycles, and micro cars all over the world (Micro car is a tiny car of one seat or two equipped with a motorcycle engine).
Information and Services
posted by Youssef Hassan on 5/8/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
People in the first world (USA and Europe) need not to move from their places in order to get some information or services. They just dial free phone numbers or access the internet to get the required information and services. On the contrary, people in the third world need to move from their own places and make many trips just to get information or a single service, either governmental or non governmental. Some information and services, in the third world, are available only in the capital city of the country and people have to make trips from their cities of residence to the capital to get some information or just a single service. A huge amount of energy is consumed daily because of these movements of the people in the third world. We can save a lot of energy by making most of the information and services available either thru free phone calls or thru the internet in all countries of the world. Also, the information and services (either governmental or non governmental) should be available in all cities of the any country and should not be localized only in the capital city.
Opposition
posted by MarkLeavenworth on 5/9/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
Youssef- The opposition to central organization is probably the same here as there. When agriculture, mining, trading routes and distribution, manufacturing, transportation are centralized as in either capitalist or socialist societies, the individual opinions conform more to the group, the independant spirit of individuals, of families and small groups is weakened, and the ability to respond quickly to systematic changes is also weakened or lost. It might actually be less efficient where the people are very loaded with independant spirits, to strive for efficiency through centralization. I think most Americans are probably not realizing that from conformity to independant spirit, Japan is like a 10, Europe is like a 7 or 8, the US is like a 5 and Egypt is probably more like a 3 or 4. Many Americans probably feel that the US is a 2 or 3, not realizing how much has been centralized in recent decades. There are those who believe efficiency should be gained through careful elimination of those independant spirits, and that that is somehow justifiable in social engineering. I am the most fierce opponent to that view, along with most of America. Government should be made to serve individuals, individuals should not be made to serve government. That doesn't mean the war for independance should be uncivil. On the contrary, those most opposed to the force of government should be the most eager to learn its ways and ascend into its ranks without compromise. The war against the dehumanizing potential of government is a war that is won, or lost, on the inside.
LED and LCD Light Lamps
posted by Youssef Hassan on 5/20/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
We know that Tungsten lamps are low efficient because they emit a lot of heat. The compact fluorescent lamps are more efficient and saving energy because they emit lower heat. The compact fluorescent lamps are available now in the market in reasonable prices. The LED and LCD light lamps are the highest efficient because they emit very little heat, but they are very expensive. If the manufacturers of LED and LCD light lamps get support to produce them in low prices, then these lamps will replace incandescent, halogen, and compact fluorescent bulbs and a lot of energy can be saved.
Tires to be padded with a flexible light material
posted by Youssef Hassan on 6/1/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
We know that every work or process needs energy to be done. The current tires of vehicles undergo many maintenance processes during its service life span, so a lot of energy is consumed to perform these processes. These maintenance processes are: inflation, repair (dismantling, fixing, assembling, inflation), and replacement of the damaged parts. In addition, the service life of the tires is short. I suggest making some researchers to replace the current hollow tires with solid ones padded with flexible light material to cancel the above-mentioned maintenance processes, to elongate the service life, and to save a lot of energy.
HydroCarbon
posted by MarkLeavenworth on 5/31/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
Shouldn't it be possible to reduce CO2 and H2O with electricity, and then combine them together under pressure with the right catalyst? Both electricity and pressure could be produced directly with labor and on a small(household) scale with the right equipment.
Earth,Fire,Air and Water
posted by MarkLeavenworth on 5/29/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
I've learned the ancient principles again, with more depth and clarity, and I have no better place to share the discovery than here. That every motion on earth is a balance between the force that moves, and the gravity of the earth. That the cause of wll forces which move is fire, or a motion away from the center being contrary to gravity, a motion towards the center. That makes Earth and Fire the contraries of motion and Air and Water the contraries of the motionless, or states (rare and dense).
Servers
posted by Dude on 12/26/2008 - This comment was recommended 1 time
There are a terible number of information servers out in the world and tons more personal computers. These huge numbers of computers have an enormous draw on power from the electric grid. People should try to find ways to conserve energy eith storing data, such as moving data to satilites and sending them into space. These satilites would run on solar power therefore not consuming any power from the worlds energy grid.
http://howmanyservers.blogspot.com/
Is it possible?
posted by conservativethinker on 5/21/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
How much energy would it take to launch these server into space? How much energy would it take to maintenance those server if they were to have issues in space? Is there even the technology to collect enough solar power to run these massive servers floating in space?
Data
posted by MarkLeavenworth on 5/27/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
I'm game. I don't know much about it, and it seems like somebody must have some wild solutions out there, when you look at all the you tube/facebook/google/ebay type servers, and the amount of information they store and serve. But just in case, what about sending laser data streams to the moon and back. It wouldn't take any hardware, except the transmitters, and I bet a lot of data could be stored that way.
Energy efficiency and Conservation
posted by equalall on 1/20/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
Only through working together can we solve these issues. If ideas are squashed by competing organizations we lose out and that means all of us. Too often a companies selve interests put aside ideas that really work. I believe that if we want to solve this problem we can because the information is there. Companies like Rocky Mountain Institute in Colorado and now I see adds from IBM that look like they have ideas that should help solve our issues. Using the technology that is here now and applying it in practice we will be there. It means though change is inevitable for many corporations and people and if they are willing to change. I believe that in 10 to 20 years we will be laughing that we had conversations like this because change will come whether we like it or not.
Yes
posted by Dude on 5/8/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
I believe that is absolutely true.
why is it inevitable
What kind of ideas are being squashed by competing organizations? Corporate self interest keeps companies profitable and keeps them open for business which is what keeps people employed and able to live their lives. What technology is here now that we can use? Don't we have a choice whether these changes are made or not? What if these changes have an adverse affect on our economy? On the way we live our lives?
is this hypothesis viable?
posted by Guadarismo on 5/20/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
Hi, I was doing my homework just researching ways to power up a house, and I found this www.idea-en.ve.gs, and I wonder, hypothetically speaking, is this idea realizable, or still incomplete, or just other crazy thing that I found on internet...
http://www.idea-en.ve.gs/
Energy Specific Specialization
posted by REQUIREDINFORMATIONS on 5/19/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
My point of view in the matter is i think far fetched but not imposible. I understand there are flaws to it but honest actions taken might prove it worthy. Most decisions on Energy matters are based on one factor 'Interest' be it political , Profit , ideology and what have you. Why is it important that we have Energy Efficiency and Conservation. What are our interest? Certainly we cannot rule out profit. However immediate profits should be ruled out and long term sustained profits promoted. Also political intrest have to be given a more human face as the more sustanable energy is the better for the human race. With the above in mind i would propose that Energy should be specialized to specific uses that priomotes its use and sustainabilty best. If we decide to have electric cars, More should be directed at producing eletric cars and only electric cars unless the case would require fossil fuels as in heavy moving equipments etc. For lighting and heating our homes and offices and other buildings Solar and Biomas energy can be employed and adequately applied to meet the desired need. My point is the encourage a purposeful investment in alternative energy and applied at those areas where they would be of immence positive impact and fossil fuels can be concentrated on production , manufacturing and other activities that require higher combustion. This would reduce reduce our dependency on one product and expand our boundaries to other energy resources and uses. However the question remains, what are our intrests? Goverments and Energy companies should come together to discuss the energy issue. I believe the answer it already out there but the question of interest hinders an honest discussion and exercise
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Interests
posted by MarkLeavenworth on 5/19/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
Here in the west, I know there are already a number of government/industry plans with contingencies based on the political environment, people's opinions, etc. If I wanted to start a large investment project with a friend, I know there would be a number of other big players that would have to understand and go along with what we wanted to do. My main purpose is to get more knowledge and ability for production from raw materials to individuals, so that individuals can produce for themselves if they want to. I really don't feel like doing battle with the bigger players just to get a place in the big mix. It's not worth it to me. It's worth more trying to get more power, real power, to individuals.
ENERGY EFFICIENCY & CONSERVATION
posted by bill f. on 4/30/2009 - This comment was recommended 2 times
Although it has been a while since I have written a post, I have not abandoned this group. I have just been busy. Someone posted that energy saved is "energy found"; how true that is! Words motivate people @ all levels of society only in different ways. Saying we are addicted to Foreign oil and dirty energy brought new interest in alternative energy for transportation using American technology and nobody said anything about "protectionism"? If that works for you, lets expand that to include principles from our present topic. We are also adicted to imported goods and services that could be made using more energy efficient technology and materials. Someone in Ft Worth, Texas calling a customer service number 8,000 miles away and talking to someone reading from a script when the money clock is ticking as you wait for some help could save considerable user dollars by getting the right answer fast. Buying consumer or business materials from 8,000 miles away; from a shop that does not have clean air and environmental standards will cost us all in the long run. Receiving products that must be disposed of due to low quality standards validated one of my life long management objectives: Why is it that nobody has the ability to do something right the first time but they always have the time to do it over at my expense? Thanks, Texas Billf.
Mind and Matter
posted by MarkLeavenworth on 5/2/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
The line has already been drawn in nature, Bill. For some time it has been possible to take a lion's share of resources through nothing more than talking, typing, or convincing those easy to pursuade. As the resources get stretched over the next century, the talkers will find their platforms harder to sell and the doers will find their minds less easily pursuaded of their inferiority. Socialised services are only as strong as the men that keep them running against nature. Sooner or later all of us will have to answer to the original and natural foundations. I prefer sooner. Most prefer later. It's true that there is a natural easy way to do everything required for a good life on earth, but the path to get and to stay there is just as difficult and treacherous as any other natural course. As long as we have easy resources, we will have people who scoff at the difficult future and promote the 'easy' talkers. I wouldn't call that a fault of anyone, just a part of human nature and the natural cycle of things. Whether the USA can survive that cycle depends on the timing of events, being God's will.
Example
posted by MarkLeavenworth on 5/3/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
For an example of how that plays out currently, you see the new generation of finance expanding and deepening the definitions of risk and diversification. Another way to look at what they are doing is bringing the definitions of the terms closer to the natural foundations. This trend will continue over the decades smoothly or in shocks and steps until we eventually arrive back at the original agricultural/labor foundations in a century or two.
Energy Efficiency and Conservation
posted by JWMchew on 2/13/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
Regarding improvements in energy efficiency, consider the Jevons Effect, which says that improvements in energy efficiency lead to increased usage of energy due to greater usage of the new technology. While not an absolute, this effect has proven itself true too many times to ignore. Surely exceptions exist, as in the increased use of CFL and LED light fixtures. But that combines efficiency and conservation, doesn’t it?---Conservation, on the other hand, is brilliant in all its applications. The cheapest energy will always be the energy we never use.---What is essential to the coming transition from a time of plentiful and cheap energy resources to one of scarce and expensive energy resources, however, is a reframing of the question. Not, "Is increased energy efficiency a good thing (it is, if the Jevons Effect can be avoided) or is energy conservation a good thing (Duh!)," but, "Should we be examining the assumptions that 1) drive the demand for and 2) absolutely depend upon the availability of, affordable energy?---The underlying assumption is that infinite economic growth is both possible and necessary in this finite world of ours. In my lifetime the world population has trended ever upward, more than tripling since my birth. The stock market has trended always upward, even post-depression, over the long term. Technology has grown by leaps and bounds, becoming ever more efficient, accessible, powerful and affordable.---But all this growth has been fueled by the consumption of ever increasing amounts of hydrocarbon fuels - coal, crude oil and natural gas. When these resources, begin to decline, and we are up against that time, continued growth will become ever more difficult to sustain.---As we proceed down this path of searching for the next great (and cheap) energy resource, we must consider at least two little discussed aspects of the question - energy return on energy invested (EROEI) and scalability. If you believe in free energy, abiotic oil or algea as the salvation of us all, read no further. You won't agree.---Crude oil has been the most amazing energy resource ever. With an initial EROEI of 100:1 (currently closer to 10:1) and able to be used to make an almost infinite variety of products from tires to plastics to pharmaceuticals and micro-fibers, it has been the prime driver of growth for the past 50-75 years.---Out of characters...
Currency
posted by MarkLeavenworth on 3/3/2009 - Be the first to recommend this
JWMchew- I hope you are still on board out there, because I would like to run a new model currency past you for your input. As you have noted, the EROEI (which I would call REAL return) will likely be decreasing from here on out for the foreseable future. These bailouts are about making up interest payments that can no way be produced in reality at this point. Our money system having been based on interest, we need a new way to measure value and distribute goods, and I have what I feel is a good plan. It is based on dry feed corn storehouses and non-taxable exchanges of notes that must be redeemed for the goods in, say, a year. The storehouses buy grain for notes and notes for grain. The system could be electronic and operate right along with the ATM system. Exchange for modern interest bearing and taxable currency (still valuable for large, long-term, or interstate/international transactions) as well as other commodities would take place on the open markets. I wonder if you have any input on this.